AA-T/AS-T Degrees Discussion Board
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Determining GPA for AA-T degree
Does the college (e.g. Academic Senate) get to approve whether the calculated GPA for AA-T degrees is based upon overall GPA or only on the 60 sem/90 qtr units of courses required for the AA-T? If so, I'm wondering what colleges/Senates, if any, have decided.
GPA and AA-T and AS-T Degrees
A GPA of 2.0 in all CSU transferable courses is required and within that:
To qualify for admission as an upper division transfer, applicants must complete 60 or more transferable semester or 90 quarter units and have met the following requirements: Completed at least 30 semester (45 quarter) units of general education courses, graded C or better in each course…
TMC 100% goal worksheet, what gets counted in denominator??
Here's an example: We have a degree where a core required course on the TMC is 3 units while the course we offer is 2 units. The faculty at our college strongly believe that the course should be just 2 units and don't want to up it just so they can make a TMC aligned degree.
So, the more general question that also includes the example above - when is an AA/AS degree considered TMC aligned so that it must get counted as a degree which requires a TMC aligned degree be developed by Fall 2014?
Unclear.
Courses in a TMC-aligned degree must conform to the minimum units indicated. As you have chosen to not provide any context for the question, I can only give you the generic answer. TMC-aligned degrees are not TMC-aligned unless all the courses conform to the specified parameters. Again, you're getting the generic answer as you have posed a generic question.
Cranking the clarity dial to 11
By Fall 2013, we need to offer 80% of the TMC degrees that match existing AS/AA degrees that we offer. How much leeway do we have in this matching? Do we have to modify exisiting courses within AS/AA degrees so that they match the requirements of the TMC, thus allowing us to offer the TMC for that discipline? Or would this count as a degree that can't be offered as TMC, because the faculty believe changing the parameters isn't academically sound for our students, and so that AS or AA degree would not count against us in the 80% number?
To me, the way I've worded this is NOW general. I gave a very specific, real life example in my first question. A core required course on the TMC is listed as 3 units, but our course is 2 units. Faculty strongly believe it should just be 2 units, and don't want to just mess with their entire program to realign content so that that course could then be 3 units. Does the degree in that discipline count as one of the degrees we need a TMC in eventually?
I am not sure how to provide more context than that. This is a simple question but related to a deep philosophical problem with TMC's - how much academic freedom do faculty have related to these TMC's?
Specific = named course (s) and TMC
Until you are naming a course or courses and a specific TMC, your question remains general.
If you are going to offer a TMC-aligned degree, the specified and required courses must match the indicated parameters in the C-ID descriptor. It should be noted, however, that there are TMCs where a course is a specified option in one component of the TMC (such as an instance where the TMC indicates that one course from a list of 3 must be selected from "List A") and that same course could be used somewhere "lower" (and less specified) in the TMC. Since we're speaking in general and hypothetical terms, let's go all the way - the TMC specifies that the locally developed degree must require one of green, blue, or pink in List A - and each is described with a C-ID descriptor that requires aqua as a prereq. Your college offers green and blue - but only green has the prereq - so you could use green for that list A requirement. List D of the TMC opens things up to courses that fill a certain GE area - and your blue course meets that GE requirement. So your course that did not "match" in one part of the TMC could be used elsewhere. Given that many TMCs have a rather "open" final list, this sort of movement could happen quite frequently.
Again, without knowing what discipline and courses you are having the 2 VS 3 unit issue with, it is impossible to answer your question effectively. If the issue is that you have chosen to offer content more commonly covered in 2 3-unit courses and you have opted to do so in a 2-unit course plus a 4-unit one, there are solutions for that. If the course is merely an option, then it may not even matter.
Most TMCs allow for options for the local faculty as they develop their degrees - most only specify a limited number of courses so that the CSU can be guaranteed a certain minimal preparation. And the C-ID descriptors do not dictate course content, they describe the minimum. The whole purpose here is to set up a structure that establishes some minimum consistency - so that we can work in a coordinated manner for our students, yet still maintain local control of our curriculum.
AAT/AST
I'm fairly new to articulation and in reviewing SB1440, I noticed that it recomends CCC's to use CSU breadth or IGETC or our own GE pattern to meet the general ed req for the AAT/AST. What if the GE pattern we are using to meet AAT/AST GE req doesn't cover all areas of CSU or IGETC. Since CSU or IGETC certification is not required, will the students complete the rest of the GE BA/BS grad requirments at the university and will they do so within the 120 units?
If our students complete the CSU Breadth or IGETC plus units in the major, they will go over the 60 units.
AA-T and AS-T Degrees Require TRANSFER GE - Not Local
You can not use your own GE pattern for AA-T and AS-T degrees. You are required to use CSU GE breadth or IGETC. Nowhere should it be recommended that you use your local GE pattern - I hope that is a misinterpretation, not something posted somewhere. If your degree can't be completed in 60 units (including that transfer GE pattern), your degree will not be approved as an AA-T or AS-T degree.
AA-T/AS-T and CLEP or AP credit
Will the use of AP or CLEP credit for courses designated as C-ID affect the AA-T or AS-T transfer guarantee?
How are AP and/or CLEP being applied within the context of C-ID and AA-T/AS-T?
AP, IB, CLEP, and Associate Degrees for Transfer
The use of external exams and how a community college awards credit for them is a local determination.