12:48:18 From Sean Thomas to Everyone: Thank you! 12:49:40 From Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR to Everyone: Welcome everyone. We will be starting at 1pm. 12:51:22 From Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR to Everyone: Please sign in to the regional on this Padlet. Add your name,position and college. https://padlet.com/stephaniecurry/nr5ykc5z2u71yu8y 12:52:10 From Joseph Bielanski to Everyone: Joseph BIelanski - Articulation Officer at Berkeley Ciy Coll 12:52:37 From KC Mesloh to Everyone: KC Mesloh, Evaluation Coordinator, Lassen Community College 12:53:27 From Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR to Everyone: Please sign in to the regional on this Padlet. Add your name,position and college. https://padlet.com/stephaniecurry/nr5ykc5z2u71yu8y 12:57:13 From Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR to Everyone: Please sign in to the regional on this Padlet. Add your name,position and college. https://padlet.com/stephaniecurry/nr5ykc5z2u71yu8y 12:58:23 From Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR to Everyone: Please sign in to the regional on this Padlet. Add your name,position and college. https://padlet.com/stephaniecurry/nr5ykc5z2u71yu8y 12:58:48 From Edie Martinelli to Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR(Direct Message): No Aisha yet 13:00:35 From Deborah Henry to Everyone: Dr Deborah Henry curriculum co chair. Coastline college 13:00:45 From Edie Martinelli to Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR(Direct Message): She's here 13:00:53 From June Turner to Everyone: June Turner, curriculum co-chair Palo Verde College 13:01:20 From Sarah Harris to Everyone: Welcome everyone! Please sign in to the regional on this Padlet. Add your name, position and college. https://padlet.com/stephaniecurry/nr5ykc5z2u71yu8y 13:03:29 From Wendy Nelson to Everyone: Will this meeting be recorded? 13:03:36 From Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR to Everyone: As we go on please add links, comments or questions add in the chat 13:04:05 From Edie Martinelli to Everyone: We will not be recording, however we will post the chat on our site. 13:04:06 From Wendy Nelson to Everyone: Thanks 13:04:28 From Edie Martinelli to Everyone: https://asccc.org/events/2021-10-21-080000-2021-10-21-110000/2021-fall-curriculum-regional-meeting 13:04:44 From Edie Martinelli to Everyone: You can access the slides here. 13:04:53 From Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR to Everyone: Please sign in to the regional on this Padlet. Add your name,position and college. https://padlet.com/stephaniecurry/nr5ykc5z2u71yu8y 13:08:18 From Sarah Harris to Everyone: Welcome to those who are joining us, please sign in to the regional on this Padlet. Add your name, position and college. https://padlet.com/stephaniecurry/nr5ykc5z2u71yu8y 13:09:03 From Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR to Everyone: Put your questions for Dr.Lowe in the chat 13:15:21 From Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR to Everyone: Welcome to those who are joining us, please sign in to the regional on this Padlet. Add your name, position and college. https://padlet.com/stephaniecurry/nr5ykc5z2u71yu8y 13:16:07 From Dara Greene to Everyone: Will any of these updates be in writing somewhere? Thanks!! 13:16:33 From Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR to Everyone: @Dara when she pauses I will ask. 13:27:29 From Michael Bowen to Everyone: In light of AB 705, is it the goal of BOG/CCCCO to remove credit courses in pre-transfer-level math and English from the course inventories of the CCCs? Many members of college and district management teams are interpreting AB 705 as requiring the CCCs to stop offering these courses. 13:30:24 From Craig Kutil to Everyone: Intermediate Algebra or equivalent is the minimum requirement to satisfy the General Education Mathematics graduation requirement. I don't see how requiring students that do not intend to transfer to take a class higher than the minimum level would support equity. 13:32:04 From Laura Garcia to Everyone: @Craig - agree! 13:32:50 From Letrisha Mai to Everyone: @ Michael and Craig - in addition, can "competency" be met via noncredit courses or curriculum? 13:34:53 From Craig Kutil to Everyone: Yes, but that has an effect on students that require financial aid, and need a credit course to receive the financial aid or be involved in certain special programs 13:37:53 From Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR to Everyone: Add any questions you have for Dr. Lowe 13:37:55 From Sean Thomas to Everyone: Should we expect implementation of the new Title 5 ethnic studies requirement to be affected by the common GE pattern work required by AB 928? I am wondering if 928 will mean that the CC ES requirement won't take effect for several years. . . . . 13:39:55 From Michael Bowen to Everyone: Thank you Dr. Lowe. 13:40:53 From Laura Castro to Everyone: Could Dr. Lowe address Letrisha's question regarding non-credit options and CBE to meet the math competency requirement for the AA/AS degree? 13:41:38 From Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR to Everyone: @ Laura. Thank you for catching that for me. 13:43:43 From Sean Thomas to Everyone: Thank you, Dr. Lowe. That info about the UC pivoting off the CSU is especially helpful. Appreciate your answer. This is exactly the information I wanted. I have advised our folks to plan for 2023 as a *probable* timeline. 13:43:43 From Michael Bowen to Everyone: T5 55063 requires that the competency course must have an Elementary Algebra prerequisite. So two noncredit courses might be needed, even if Craig's concerns about financial aid/special programs. Maybe a certificate of competency in AA/AS Math Competency? Let's see how Dr. Lowe addresses Lelrisha's question. 13:45:26 From Rachel Cohen to Everyone: @michael yes the Certificate of Competency would allow students to collect their financial aid... 13:48:24 From Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR to Everyone: Welcome to those who are joining us, please sign in to the regional on this Padlet. Add your name, position and college. https://padlet.com/stephaniecurry/nr5ykc5z2u71yu8y 13:49:10 From Craig Kutil to Everyone: @Rachel, our CalWORKs/EOPS director requested we keep credit course options for basic skills 13:51:56 From Michael Bowen to Everyone: Interestingly, Elementary and Intermediate Algebra are not basic skills courses, just pre-transfer. One of the aspects of a basic skills course (as defined by T5) is that it's nondegree-applicable. 13:52:05 From Aisha Lowe to Everyone: Transfer Level Gateway Completion Dashboard: https://www.cccco.edu/About-Us/Chancellors-Office/Divisions/Educational-Services-and-Support/transfer-level-dashboard 13:52:28 From Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR to Everyone: Welcome to those who are joining us, please sign in to the regional on this Padlet. Add your name, position and college. https://padlet.com/stephaniecurry/nr5ykc5z2u71yu8y 13:52:43 From Sarah Harris to Everyone: ASCCC listserv sign-ups are here: https://asccc.org/signup-newsletters 13:53:19 From Aisha Lowe to Everyone: Pending Regulatory Actions: https://www.cccco.edu/About-Us/Chancellors-Office/Divisions/General-Counsel/Pending-Regulatory-Action 13:54:45 From Aisha Lowe to Everyone: Note that the P/NP EW and DE regulations have been revised based on feedback from the field. Updated 15-day notices for public comment should be posted by next week. 13:55:25 From Aisha Lowe to Everyone: Feel free to reach out with any questions: alowe@cccco.edu 13:56:15 From Edie Martinelli to Everyone: https://asccc.org/events/2021-11-04-150000-2021-11-06-230000/2021-fall-plenary-session-hybrid-event 13:57:04 From Aisha Lowe to Everyone: Thank you everyone. Have a great afternoon. 13:57:40 From Edie Martinelli to Everyone: https://asccc.org/content/achroasccc-equity-minded-hiring-principles-and-practices-webinar-2021-10-28-220000-2021-10 13:58:05 From Edie Martinelli to Everyone: https://asccc.org/content/achroasccc-equity-minded-hiring-principles-and-practices-webinar-2021-11-19-183000-2021-11 13:58:35 From Edie Martinelli to Everyone: https://asccc.org/events/2021-10-20-180000-2022-04-27-160000/join-cte-coffee-hour 13:59:30 From Edie Martinelli to Everyone: https://asccc.org/events/2021-10-21-080000-2021-10-21-110000/2021-fall-curriculum-regional-meeting 14:03:48 From Sarah Harris to Everyone: Please feel free to put any questions in the chat as we go! 14:06:33 From Kimberley Stiemke to Everyone: Hello. I am open to suggestions on how noncredit institutions can support this initiative. 14:07:14 From Laura Castro to Everyone: What if a student is in continuous enrollment but transfers to the CSU after fall 2023? Can we still certify the student under the old CSU GEB pattern without an Area F course? 14:08:28 From Laura Castro to Everyone: Thank you! 14:08:36 From Michelle Plug to Everyone: Yes, as long as they meet the catalog rights policy of the CSU's. 14:10:45 From Renee Medina to Everyone: If an Ethnic Studies course is approved this spring will they back date it to fall 21? 14:10:49 From Sarah Harris to Everyone: Here is a link to courses that have been approved: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1sVRZnTDrDHW45ete-4idKWpO47lDyzAY 14:11:11 From Sarah Harris to Everyone: This is available through the CA intersegmental articulation council 14:12:08 From Craig Kutil to Everyone: They said they would 14:12:17 From Josh Adams, SRJC to Everyone: But if a cross listed history course is approved, then a student taking History X OR Ethnic Studies X is approved for area F right? 14:12:23 From Sarah Harris to Everyone: Thank you! 14:12:30 From Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR to Everyone: info@asccc.org 14:12:36 From Craig Kutil to Everyone: Josh, yes 14:12:59 From Rachel Cohen to Everyone: They said they would, but if the course was officially revised after the first submission, the revision may not be effective fall '21 14:13:04 From Judy Fallert to Everyone: Sarah the link for google requires a password 14:13:21 From Annalinda Arroyo to Everyone: @Sarah - the google doc requires permission to access. Is it possible to change the sharing to "anyone with the link can view?" 14:13:46 From Sarah Harris to Everyone: Apologies Judy, it was provided during the prior meeting so I don’t have direct access. Let me follow up 14:14:36 From Rodrigo Valles to Everyone: Can as Ethnic Studies Departments be forced to cross-list? 14:17:22 From Michael Bowen to Everyone: Is the FDRG looking at adding Ethnic Studies course descriptors to C-ID? 14:19:57 From Sean Thomas to Everyone: Our COR has representative and required assessments 14:20:37 From Kimberley Stiemke to Everyone: Thank you 14:22:53 From Sarah Harris to Everyone: Here are the CSU Ethnic Studies competencies: https://calstate.policystat.com/policy/8919100/latest/ 14:23:44 From Rodrigo Valles to Everyone: Thank you Sarah 14:23:50 From Rachel Cohen to Everyone: @Rodrigo We have required mapping to outcomes/objectives for all GE areas that is analyzed through the approval process; that takes care of a lot of issues. 14:24:42 From Rodrigo Valles to Everyone: Thank you Rachel 14:26:27 From Renee Medina to Everyone: @Rodrigo, I think part of the problem was that what Stephanie just explained was not clearly explained in the beginning. So, the CCCs panicked and tried to cross list everything to meet the new GE area. 14:26:54 From Daniel Weber to Everyone: Many CCs don't have an Ethnic Studies department/dedicated instructors so that was a reason many submitted cross-lists. 14:26:58 From bren antrim to Everyone: Are we going to receive guidance on how to include this requirement in ADTs without increasing unit totals? 14:30:46 From Josh Adams, SRJC to Everyone: Our understanding is that a cross listed course must be identical, including min quals 14:31:07 From Sean Thomas to Everyone: Agree with Josh. We treat them as mirrored CORs 14:31:16 From Josh Adams, SRJC to Everyone: So if the history class is cross listed as ETHN, it can remain with min qual of just History 14:31:17 From Sarah Harris to Everyone: Josh yes that is usually the case thank you 14:31:27 From Michael Bowen to Everyone: @Bren, if they're smart, they'll let the Ethnic Studies courses double count for ES competency and local GE, just as Intermediate Algebra is allowed to be used for both math competency and for the Communication and Analytical Thinking GE requirement. 14:31:35 From Rodrigo Valles to Everyone: @Renee, I understand that for that reason, but my campus has a full department and it becomes a issue of control versus need. 14:32:29 From bren antrim to Everyone: double counting - got it. thanks! 14:35:33 From Sean Thomas to Everyone: And transcript evaluators! 14:35:37 From Dara Greene to Everyone: Is there anywhere I can find the "rules" for crosslisted courses? It seems unclear if literally every aspect needs to be identical, or just some areas. For example, I was told that textbooks and typical assignments can be different. 14:36:12 From Sean Thomas to Everyone: Strongly agree, Stephanie. All hands on deck! 14:36:27 From Dara Greene to Everyone: Its not specifically in the PCAH 14:37:03 From Shannon Stanley to Everyone: Cross-listed courses in ASSIST get identical articulation 14:37:49 From Sean Thomas to Everyone: Min quals and cross-listing:https://asccc.org/sites/default/files/COR.pdf 14:39:15 From Wendy Nelson to Everyone: I think we need to have more conversations about cross-listing - pros and cons and challenges as a system. We have been grappling with this issue for several years at Palomar College 14:48:15 From Josh Adams, SRJC to Everyone: We are discussing AB1111 in terms of not being able to ever re-use a course number we've ever used in the past, something related to ASSIST I think 14:49:02 From Michael Bowen to Everyone: Not reusing is also a problem in some versions of Banner. 14:49:26 From Craig Kutil to Everyone: The C-ID course numbers were decided upon by their respective FDRG groups and were not intended for this purpose. Descriptor numbers need to change at the same time. 14:49:31 From Rachel Cohen to Everyone: @michael yes the Banner is an issue for us too 14:50:24 From Craig Kutil to Everyone: It will definitely impact articulation. 14:51:11 From Rodrigo Valles to Everyone: This is a bit confusing to me, is this only in CID or are campuses going to all number the common course with the same numbers? 14:51:15 From Michael Bowen to Everyone: Some CMS/SIS systems also only allow a maximum of three letters in the course prefix name. 14:51:43 From Josh Adams, SRJC to Everyone: once we move one set of required courses, it will almost force to move all 14:51:56 From Rodrigo Valles to Everyone: Thank you 14:52:25 From Sean Thomas to Everyone: I now understand the Great Resignation. Common course numbering might just push me over that edge. 14:57:35 From Tobi West to Everyone: Is there a proximity for consultation with CSU and uC’s? (e.g., a range of miles) We do not have a related“feeder” CSU is why I ask 14:58:16 From Tobi West to Everyone: thanks 14:59:11 From Rachel Cohen to Everyone: are there limits on 2 CCCs in the same area having similar BA programs, or just CSU and UC? 14:59:18 From Nancy Persons (SRJC) to Everyone: Is "the body" the Board of each CCC or the local Academic Senate? 15:00:01 From Sarah Harris to Everyone: Nancy that refers to whatever brown act group is meeting 15:00:24 From Nancy Persons (SRJC) to Everyone: @Sarah thank you 15:00:45 From Rachel Cohen to Everyone: thanks! 15:01:08 From bren antrim to Everyone: Can we have this discussion once a month, or after every single meeting? 15:01:46 From bren antrim to Everyone: Thank you! 15:02:53 From Daniel Weber to Everyone: IGETC is Sauron. 15:03:41 From bren antrim to Everyone: We need to find a way to let students know they can opt out if they want to go to UC. 15:05:03 From bren antrim to Everyone: Nightmare. 15:09:06 From Tobi West to Everyone: 😃 15:09:19 From Dee Aceves to Everyone: It would be great if part of ALL the guidance will be to use "phased" approaches to implementation. There are too many things happening simultaneously. How can we make this happen? 15:10:59 From Daniel Weber to Everyone: It would also be great if all of these groups are communicating with each other as they look at these new policies so they will interact "seamlessly" at implementation. (and bring a towel) 15:11:30 From Dee Aceves to Everyone: YES! 15:11:45 From Dee Aceves to Everyone: 84K eacg 15:12:22 From Michael Bowen to Everyone: A lot of the AB 1111 funding will go to a vendor the CCCCO hired to "guide" it through the process. 15:14:31 From Wendy Nelson to Everyone: What is happening with the curriculum software RFP? 15:15:44 From Robin Kurotori to Everyone: Regular effective contact --> regular and substantive interaction 15:16:03 From Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR to Everyone: @Wendy. There is no update on the new COCI. They are now looking to expand potential venders. 15:16:47 From Dee Aceves to Everyone: @Sarah... can you tell us about any change regarding DE and the COR? Does the mode have to be added to the COR? 15:20:50 From Dee Aceves to Everyone: Thanks for clarifying Sarah! 15:22:47 From Desiree Payne to Everyone: Does the updates to section 55204 = "Regular instructor contact to be defined locally and by faculty." This is a discussion within my institution. 15:23:19 From Desiree Payne to Everyone: Thank you :) 15:34:22 From Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR to Everyone: Padlet for CI 2022 Brainstorming https://padlet.com/stephaniecurry/ua28m36ea0n5v2b8 15:35:28 From Rachel Cohen to Everyone: Thank you, great meeting but please a little more break time. :) thank you so much!!!! 15:36:43 From Sarah Harris to Everyone: Here are the updated proposed changes to Title 5 on DE from consultation council today: https://go.boarddocs.com/ca/cccchan/Board.nsf/files/C7S27B00C5AE/$file/15-day-text-distance-education-regulations-final-a11y.pdf 15:42:29 From Robin Kurotori to Everyone: Yes! Thanks for that updated wording, Sarah. 15:43:51 From Renee Medina to Everyone: https://asccc.org/resolutions/update-title-5-language-section-55070-credit-certificates 15:51:04 From Stephanie Curry--ASCCC CURRICULUM CHAIR to Everyone: Remember the ASCCC is hear to support you. www.asccc.org. Ask questions at info@asccc.org and request Curriculum Technical Visits https://www.asccc.org/curriculum-technical-assistance-visits 15:51:08 From Alex Villalta LAPC (he,him,his) to Everyone: Wow, we lost 50% of our audience. 15:51:30 From Elizabeth Ramirez to Everyone: I appreciate how much information you were able to pack into this afternoon! 15:52:05 From Barbara Adams to Everyone: Thank you for so much relevant information! 15:52:12 From Laura Castro to Everyone: I agree, thank you so much! And please continue to offer virtual options for these important meetings. 15:52:18 From Michelle Plug to Everyone: Thank you so much! This was very informative … 15:52:33 From June Turner to Everyone: Thank you!! 15:52:44 From Alex Villalta LAPC (he,him,his) to Everyone: Thank you for the rich webinar 15:52:47 From tiffany tran to Everyone: Thank you! Great session! 15:52:53 From Sarah Harris to Everyone: Thank you so much for joining us everyone! 15:52:54 From Rodrigo Valles to Everyone: Thank you 15:53:00 From Desiree Payne to Everyone: Thank you all! Have a good afternoon. 15:53:18 From Robin Kurotori to Everyone: Thank you. Great webinar. Lots of good info. 15:53:30 From Tobi West to Everyone: Great info! Thanks so much! I liked the extra mention on Hitchhiker’s Guide haha 15:54:01 From Margee Loya to Everyone: Thank you everyone! 15:54:03 From Lavonne Plum to Everyone: Thank you for all the information 15:54:10 From Natasha Maryanow to Everyone: Thank you!!! 15:54:10 From Elizabeth Ramirez to Everyone: Thank you!!! 15:54:16 From Reyes Vazquez to Everyone: Thank you 15:54:20 From Craig Kutil to Everyone: Great job 15:59:16 From Annalinda Arroyo to Everyone: Thank you!!! 15:59:28 From Steven Cauchon to Everyone: thank you!! 15:59:34 From Sallie Saiz to Everyone: Thank you! 15:59:52 From Edie Martinelli to Everyone: Chat will be posted in the next 24 hours 16:00:03 From Alex Villalta LAPC (he,him,his) to Everyone: Thank you